Motorola killing webtop, laptop docks

 

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Motorola has confirmed that it will no longer be pursuing its webtop program in the future. Famously announced to much fanfare with the Motorola Atrix, the laptop dock is going away. Starting with its latest release of devices -- the Photon Q, Droid RAZR HD, etc. -- webtop will no longer be preloaded and laptop dock devices will no longer be for sale. In an official statement, Motorola laid out the news:

"Motorola's Webtop app helps users extend their smartphone experience to larger screens. While consumers around the world have adopted Webtop and the concept spurred a lot of innovation in the industry, the adoption has not been strong enough to justify continued resources being allocated to developing Webtop on future devices. We have also seen development of the Android operating system focus on the inclusion of more desktoplike features. Beginning with Photon Q and Droid Razr M/Droid Razr HD/Droid Razr Maxx HD, we will no longer be including Webtop on our products moving forward."

This probably doesn't come as a surprise to many of us who have either completely forgotten that webtop existed (we wouldn't blame you) or saw with the high prices and anemic sales that the future wasn't bright for the product. Most importantly, this really symbolizes the end of an era for Motorola. Webtop may have been one of the biggest things left that symbolized the Motorola of the past. As if Google and Motorola's statements prior to its latest device launches weren't clear enough, it seems as though we're looking at a "new Motorola" going forward.

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Honda recalls 2002-2006 CR-V for fire risk

DETROIT (AP) ? Honda Motor Co. is recalling CR-V crossovers from the 2002 to 2006 model years because an electrical switch in the driver's side door could melt and cause a fire.

Honda and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced the recall Saturday.

The problem involves around 268,000 vehicles. Honda said rain or other liquids could enter through a driver's open window and damage the master power switch on the door. If that happens, the switch could overheat and melt, causing a fire.

NHTSA said owners should park CR-Vs from those model years outside until the recall is performed to avoid any property damage from a fire. A fire could start even when the ignition is off and the CR-V is parked.

But Honda said it isn't necessary to park the vehicles outside. The switch can be seriously damaged only if someone spills liquid onto it or lets a large quantity of rain water into the car through the driver's side window, Honda spokesman Ed Miller said.

Customers concerned that their switches may have been damaged that way can ask a dealer to inspect their cars. Most vehicles will only need to have a cover plate installed inside the switch to prevent any liquid from coming in, Miller said.

Honda said owners have reported four fires but no injuries or crashes associated with the issue.

The company will begin contacting owners next month and will repair the vehicles for free.

It was the third major recall this week for the Japanese automaker, which usually sits near the top in J.D. Power and Associates' annual rankings of vehicle quality.

Earlier this week, the company said it was recalling 820,000 Civic compact and Pilot SUVs from the 2002 through 2004 model years because the headlights can fail. CR-Vs were recalled earlier this spring for that same issue.

Honda also said this week that it's recalling 600,000 Accord midsize cars because a faulty power steering house can leak and cause a fire. That recall affects Accords with V6 engines from the 2003 to 2007 model years.

NHTSA also announced earlier this week that it's investigating complaints that Honda Odyssey minivans and Pilot SUVs can roll away after drivers remove the ignition key. That investigation involves vehicles from the 2003 and 2004 model years.

Also Saturday, the government announced a recall of 44,300 Ram 1500 and Dodge Dakota pickup trucks from the 2009 and 2010 model years. The trucks have a nut that could loosen on the rear axle, causing drivers to lose control of their vehicles. The government and Chrysler Group LLC said there have been 15 reports of rear axle failure and three minor injuries related to the issue.

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9 things you must do when an online date goes IRL

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By Ouiser Boudreaux / BuzzFeed

Sooo, congratulations! You've written an?excellent online dating profile, sent?a really nice message?and another human being responded (positively!) Now what?

1. Meet sooner rather than later
You're both ostensibly online dating to find someone to actually spend time with in "real life," not to message back and forth for all of eternity. If after two or three message exchanges the person you're chatting up seems cool and normal and at least semi-literate, suggest meeting up.

2. Make it a real date
Forget the nonchalant, "So, wanna hang out?" ask-out cop-out. You're online dating to find love (or sex), not a new pal. So ask the object of your Internet affection on a real date, with a suggested time and place. Make it an event that's easy to end early if it's terrible, but also easy to extend if it's wonderful (this is why coffee or drinks are the go-tos; plus alcohol makes everyone a little more comfortable).?
Definitely make it somewhere public: "Come over to my house for a glass of wine" is clearly a line from a murderer.

Do not ask an Internet stranger out on a dinner date for your first meeting. Do not invite an Internet stranger to hang out with you and your friends on your first meeting. Do not invite an Internet stranger to do something that involves watching you perform with your band/improv group/traditional Polka dance team/whatever. I'd even advise against something like a movie, since you can't talk and actually get to know each other.

3. Remember your manners
Just because this is an Internet date doesn't mean you have an excuse to behave any less well than how your mama raised you. Be on time. Leave your phone in your pocket. Definitely don't be tweeting, Facebooking ? or checking OkCupid ? while you're out with your new interest.

And if you're the one doing the asking, then you should do the going ? to their neighborhood, or somewhere convenient for them. You should also be the first to offer to pick up the check. They may insist on splitting the bill and that's fine, but whoever actually asked the other person out should be the first to offer to pay.

4. Keep the bad behavior to a minimum
So your date shows up and you realize their photos weren't exactly accurate. Or they laugh like a hyena. Or it turns out that they're completely vapid. Your response? Be nice and polite and make your exit after one drink. Your response should not be to toss back five or six drinks and get wasted out of sheer misery; your response also should not be to exit the date before it's begun, or to tell them exactly why you find them unattractive or uninteresting.

5. Have a stable of good stories
Dating is kind of like going on a job interview: You need to know how to sell yourself smoothly and efficiently. Have two or three tried-and-true funny stories on relatively neutral topics (no exes, no sexes) and tell them at appropriate times. Have a few standard getting-to-know you questions, and follow up like you're a good reporter. Don't interrogate, but do ask more than, "So what do you do?" Definitely do not use the date as an excuse to get on a soapbox and talk about yourself and your own views the entire time. Take a step back and make sure the conversation is roughly 50-50. Also be sure to keep the super-personal out of it. If there are relevant details that need disclosing (you have a kid, you're moving to Indonesia next week), disclose those. But there's no need to be totally up-front about deeply personal issues (you're an adult bedwetter, you once pooped your pants on live TV).

?6. Practice
Dating is a skill, and it's one that gets better the more you do it. So whether you're interested in getting married or just getting laid, go on a bunch of dates with a bunch of different people. Cast your online net broadly, and go out with a diverse pool.

The more you date, the better date you'll be. You'll hone your conversation skills, figure out which topics and stories work and which ones don't, and learn what?you?like about talking to complete strangers. Even if you don't hit it off with everyone you go out with ? and you won't ? the experience can be heartening if you frame it in the right way. Think: There are all of these interesting people in the world with X, Y and Z good qualities, and even though most of them are not for me, they exist in large enough numbers where?one?of them will eventually be the person I click with.

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7. Once you actually go on a good date, follow up quickly
None of this "three-day rule" business. If you had fun and you want to see the person again, get in touch the next day to say so. A text message works just fine, and is better than keeping the convo on OkCupid.

8. If you don't hear back, move on
Not every date is going to be a winner, and sometimes you'll go out with someone you like who doesn't feel the same way (and vice versa). If you had a good time and you followed up the next day and your date is MIA, don't sweat it. There are literally millions of other people dating online. The worst thing you can do is to bug the person for a response, or demand a reason why they don't want to go out with you.

Sorry, but you are not entitled to know why a complete stranger doesn't want to hang out with you for a second time. So let it go. On the other hand, if you're the one who doesn't want to go out again, the polite thing to do is to respond to the follow-up with a kind rejection. Something along the lines of, "I had a really nice time and it was great getting to know you, but I just don't think I'm feeling much chemistry here. But thank you for the drinks and good luck!" should do the trick.

?9. Keep it breezy
You just went on a date (or a few), and things are good and you're realizing that maybe this could be A Thing. Don't get too ahead of yourself. You're both on an online dating site, so you're both probably actively dating other people. Don't stalk their profile to see when they've been on.

Give it at least a few weeks of regular dating to bring up the "So should we shut down our online dating profiles now?" conversation. It can be really exciting to?finally?meet someone you like, but you were strangers not so long ago, and unlike in a more traditional dating scenario, you probably don't have mutual friends or even acquaintances who can vouch for the other person. Take it easy and actually get to know the object of your affection before you're taking a road trip to Match.com headquarters to get a free "We were Matched!" t-shirt.

Good luck, happy dating, and please invite me to the wedding.

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Energy events will be featured in Elk River this month | Star News

Elk River is known as Energy City.

Proclaimed by the president of the United States in 2011, Energy Action Month was created to bring attention to a topic that experts believe is becoming ever more important to the nation?s health, security and well-being. On Oct. 1, 2012, the Elk River City Council proclaimed October as Energy Action Month in Elk River.

During October, the Elk River Energy City Commission will organize and support activities and events throughout the city to help residents get involved and learn about the importance of energy.? Events include:

?celebrating the 10th anniversary of the Elk River Landfill gas-to electric facility

?showcasing Energy City demonstration sites on Minnesota Renewable Energy Society?s Solar Tour

?a business education event

?Energy City tours

?offering energy education materials to local schools

Click on this flyer to learn more about the poster contest, including prizes.

?an energy conservation poster contest

The poster contest is open to all residents. Using the theme ?You Have the Power,? people can create a poster that reflects how Elk River residents have the power to conserve energy. The contest includes prizes for the top three posters. The first place poster will be displayed throughout the city for the remainder of the month. For more information on the poster contest go to www.ElkRiverMN.gov/EnergyCity.

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Report: Va. poultry an $8 billion industry

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) ? Virginia's poultry industry provides nearly 14,000 jobs and has an economic impact totaling more than $8 billion, according to a study released Friday.

The industry-funded study tallies up jobs, wages and other economic activity to arrive at those numbers. The report found that the poultry and egg industries in Virginia provide 13,480 direct jobs and indirectly contribute to a total of 41,710 jobs. Direct wages total a half-billion dollars, while indirect wages total more than $2 billion.

The report said the industry and its employees pay local, state and federal taxes totaling $827 million.

The study breaks down poultry into three categories: chickens, turkeys and eggs.

"In my job, I deal with the numbers of agricultural economics all the time, but I seldom see numbers this impressive," Secretary of Agriculture and Forestry Todd P. Haymore said in a statement.

Hobey Bauhan, Virginia Poultry Federation president, said the study underscores the importance of poultry and eggs for the state's economy.

"It also highlights the importance of maintaining and growing this agricultural sector for the role it plays in job creation, economic activity, government revenue and sustaining the livelihoods of family farms," Bauhan added.

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Bye Bye KOTH, Hello Dustbowl. | Aerolite Gaming Community

By doing the server polls I?ve learnt one thing and that?s to never trust the popular vote. Hardly anyone that voted KOTH actually went on it, but after seeing that the 24/7 map servers of our seem to be popular I bring you 24/7 Dustbowl: 81.19.212.32:27015. It will need some help getting off the ground but went to a good start yesterday with 30/30 players. It isn?t instant respawn though otherwise RED would win every time.

Have fun, and hope to see you play!

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Union boss: Friendly fire possibility in shooting

Family members of Border Patrol Agent Nicholas Ivie participate in Thursday Oct. 4, 2012 candlelight ceremony in Naco, Arizona. Nearly 100 people gathered in Naco for a candlelight vigil for a fallen Border Patrol agent. Ivie and two other border agents were fired upon Tuesday in a rugged hilly area about five miles (eight kilometers) north of the border near Bisbee, Ariz., as they responded to an alarm that was triggered on one of the sensors that the government has installed along the border. (AP Photo/Beatrice Richardson, Sierra Vista Herald)

Family members of Border Patrol Agent Nicholas Ivie participate in Thursday Oct. 4, 2012 candlelight ceremony in Naco, Arizona. Nearly 100 people gathered in Naco for a candlelight vigil for a fallen Border Patrol agent. Ivie and two other border agents were fired upon Tuesday in a rugged hilly area about five miles (eight kilometers) north of the border near Bisbee, Ariz., as they responded to an alarm that was triggered on one of the sensors that the government has installed along the border. (AP Photo/Beatrice Richardson, Sierra Vista Herald)

FILE - This undated photo provided by U.S. Customs and Border Protection shows slain Border Patrol agent Nicolas Ivie. The fatal shooting of Ivie and the wounding another U.S. Border Patrol agent near the Arizona-Mexico border may have been a case of friendly fire, a union chief for border agents and law enforcement officials said Friday, Oct. 5, 2012. (AP Photo/U.S. Customs and Border Protection, File)

Christy Ivie, center, wife of Nicolas Ivie, holds back tears as she is surrounded by her family, her father Tracy and mother DeAnn Morris, left, and her sister, Jan Cloward, right front, and brother, Travis Morris, right back, during news conference about slain U.S. Customs and Border Protection agent Nicolas Ivie, on Thursday, Oct. 4 , 2012, at the Cochise College in Sierra Vista, Ariz. Ivie was gunned down Tuesday, Oct 2, as he responded to a tripped sensor on the USA side of the border fence, near the small border town of Naco, Ariz. Ivie's partner was also hit in gunfire during the exchange, but was released from a Tucson hospital on Wednesday. (AP Photo/Gary M. Williams)

Christy Ivie, right, the wife of slain Border Patrol agent Nicolas Ivie, holds back tears as she stands with her father, Tracy Morris and her mother DeAnn Morris, at a news conference Thursday, Oct. 4 , 2012, at the Cochise College in Sierra Vista, Ariz. Nicholas Ivie was gunned down Tuesday, Oct 2, as he responded to a tripped sensor on the USA side of the border fence, near the small border town of Naco, Ariz. Ivie's partner was also hit in gunfire during the exchange, but was released from a Tucson hospital on Wednesday. (AP Photo/Gary M. Williams)

(AP) ? The shooting of two U.S. Border Patrol agents near the Arizona-Mexico border may have been a case of friendly fire, a union chief for border agents and law enforcement officials said Friday.

The development could shake up the investigation into the death of one of the agents that re-ignited the political debate over security on the border.

George McCubbin, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing about 17,000 border agents, said Friday he has learned new details from Border Patrol administrators that make him believe friendly fire could have played a part in the shooting.

"The only thing I can say is that the possibility of friendly fire is a higher likely scenario," McCubbin said, declining to elaborate on the new details.

Two law enforcement officials also told The Associated Press that the FBI is investigating the possibility that the fatal shooting of 30-year-old Agent Nicholas Ivie and the wounding of another agent early Tuesday five miles from the border was a case of friendly fire.

The probe is examining whether the two agents exchanged gunfire Tuesday in the mistaken belief that each was being fired on by a hostile gunman.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the matter is under investigation.

FBI officials in Washington and Phoenix declined to comment.

Investigators trying to determine whether friendly fire occurred in a shooting involving police would compare the ballistics of officers' guns with bullet slugs that were either recovered from or passed through an officer's body, said David Klinger, a criminology professor at the University of Missouri at St. Louis and an expert in police shootings.

The officers involved in the case and any known witnesses also would be asked to provide accounts of such a shooting during interviews with investigators. And investigators would try to establish where officers and witnesses were positioned at the time of the shooting, Klinger said.

The Border Patrol couldn't immediately comment on the frequency of friendly fire incidents at the agency, but they appeared to be rare.

Neither McCubbin, who has served in the Border Patrol since 1985, nor Kent Lundgren, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers, had ever heard of any friendly fire incidents in the Border Patrol.

"I know of absolutely none in the past, and my past goes back to 1968," Lundgren said, citing the year he joined the Border Patrol. "I'm not saying it never happened. I'm just saying I've never heard of it."

The shooting occurred in a rugged hilly area about five miles north of the border near Bisbee, as the agents responded to an alarm that was triggered on one of the sensors that the government has installed along the border.

The wounded agent has been released from the hospital, while the third agent was uninjured.

Ivie's death marked the first fatal shooting of an agent since a deadly 2010 firefight with Mexican bandits that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010 and spawned congressional probes of a botched government gun-smuggling investigation.

Terry's shooting was later linked to that "Fast and Furious" operation, which allowed people suspected of illegally buying guns for others to walk away from gun shops with weapons, rather than be arrested.

Authorities intended to track the guns into Mexico. Two rifles found at the scene of Terry's shooting were bought by a member of the gun-smuggling ring being investigated. Critics of the operation say any shooting along the border now will raise the specter that those illegal weapons are still being used.

Twenty-six Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty since 2002.

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Yost contributed from Washington.

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Via Licensing assembles an LTE supergroup to share standards-essential patents

Via Licensing assembles an LTE supergroup to share standards-essential patents

Dolby spinoff Via Licensing has shone a signal into the night sky and assembled some of the world's biggest telecoms players to form a patent supergroup. AT&T, NTT DoCoMo and Telefonica are some of the names that'll pool their standards-essential LTE patents to prevent getting embroiled in litigation over FRAND licensing. While there are some notable holdouts to the team, we suggest company president Roger Ross coax them over by hiring Michael McCuistion to write them a rockin' theme song.

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FACT CHECK: Presidential debate missteps

WASHINGTON (AP) ? President Barack Obama and Republican rival Mitt Romney spun one-sided stories in their first presidential debate, not necessarily bogus, but not the whole truth.

They made some flat-out flubs, too. The rise in health insurance premiums has not been the slowest in 50 years, as Obama stated. Far from it. And there are not 23 million unemployed, as Romney asserted.

Here's a look at some of their claims and how they stack up with the facts:

OBAMA: "I've proposed a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. ... The way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 in additional revenue."

THE FACTS: In promising $4 trillion, Obama is already banking more than $2 trillion from legislation enacted along with Republicans last year that cut agency operating budgets and capped them for 10 years. He also claims more than $800 billion in war savings that would occur anyway. And he uses creative bookkeeping to hide spending on Medicare reimbursements to doctors. Take those "cuts" away and Obama's $2.50/$1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases shifts significantly more in the direction of tax increases.

Obama's February budget offered proposals that would cut deficits over the coming decade by $2 trillion instead of $4 trillion. Of that deficit reduction, tax increases accounted for $1.6 trillion. He promises relatively small spending cuts of $597 billion from big federal benefit programs like Medicare and Medicaid. He also proposed higher spending on infrastructure projects.

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ROMNEY: Obama's health care plan "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don't like that idea."

THE FACTS: Romney is referring to the Independent Payment Advisory Board, a panel of experts that would have the power to force Medicare cuts if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act. But Obama's health care law explicitly prohibits the board from rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn't have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe.

Romney seems to be resurrecting the assertion that Obama's law would lead to rationing, made famous by former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's widely debunked allegation that it would create "death panels."

The board has yet to be named, and its members would ultimately have to be confirmed by the Senate. Health care inflation has been modest in the last few years, so cuts would be unlikely for most of the rest of this decade.

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OBAMA: "Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up ? it's true ? but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we're already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate."

THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year's 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.

When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama's health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.

More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.

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ROMNEY on the failure of Obama's economic policy: "And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work."

THE FACTS: The number of unemployed is 12.5 million, not 23 million. Romney was also counting 8 million people who are working part time but would like a full-time job and 2.6 million who have stopped looking for work, either because they are discouraged or because they are going back to school or for other reasons.

He got the figure closer to right earlier in the debate, leaving out only the part-timers when he said the U.S. has "23 million people out of work or stopped looking for work." But he was wrong in asserting that Obama came into office "facing 23 million people out of work." At the start of Obama's presidency, 12 million were out of work.

His claim that half of college graduates can't find work now also was problematic. A Northeastern University analysis for The Associated Press found that a one-fourth of recent graduates were probably unemployed and another quarter were underemployed, which means working in jobs that didn't make full use of their skills or experience.

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OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."

THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.

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ROMNEY: "At the same time, gasoline prices have doubled under the president. Electric rates are up."

THE FACTS: He's right that the average price has doubled, and a little more, since Obama was sworn in. But presidents have almost no influence on gasoline prices, and certainly not in the near term. Gasoline prices are set on financial exchanges around the world and are based on a host of factors, most importantly the price of crude oil used to make gasoline, the amount of finished gasoline ready to be shipped and the capacity of refiners to make enough to meet market demand.

Retail electricity prices have risen since Obama took office ? barely. They've grown by an average of less than 1 percent per year, less than the rate of inflation and slower than the historical growth in electricity prices. The unexpectedly modest rise in electricity prices is because of the plummeting cost of natural gas, which is used to generate electricity.

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OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut ? on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars ? and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."

THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.

However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.

The knock on Romney's plan, which Obama accurately cited, is that Romney has refused to say which tax breaks he would eliminate to pay for the lower rates.

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ROMNEY: "What would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?"

THE FACTS: China continues to be portrayed by Romney and many other Republicans as the poster child for runaway federal deficits. It's true that China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, but it only represents about an 8 percent stake. And China has recently been decreasing its holdings, according to the Treasury Department. Some two-thirds of the $16 trillion national debt is owed to the federal government, with the largest single stake the Federal Reserve, as well as American investors and the Social Security Trust Fund.

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OBAMA: "Independent studies looking at this said the only way to meet Gov. Romney's pledge of not ... adding to the deficit is by burdening middle-class families. The average middle-class family with children would pay about $2,000 more."

THE FACTS: That's just one scenario. Obama's claim relies on a study by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group. The study, however, is more nuanced than Obama indicated.

The study concludes it would be impossible for Romney to meet all of his stated goals without shifting some of the tax burden from people who make more than $200,000 to people who make less.

In one scenario, the study says, Romney's proposal could result in a $2,000 tax increase for families who make less than $200,000 and have children.

Romney says his plan wouldn't raise taxes on anyone, and his campaign points to several studies by conservative think tanks that dispute the Tax Policy Center's findings. Most of the conservative studies argue that Romney's tax plan would stimulate economic growth, generating additional tax revenue without shifting any of the tax burden to the middle class. Congress, however, doesn't use those kinds of projections when it estimates the effect of tax legislation.

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ROMNEY: "Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year."

THE FACTS: Romney is making selective use of the Congressional Budget Office's March findings on how employers might adjust to the new health law. The neutral Washington scorekeeper actually gave Congress four scenarios ? ranging from a net increase in employer-provided coverage for 3 million people to the decrease of 20 million that Romney cited.

Here's why: The law offers tax incentives for companies with more than 50 workers that provide coverage and penalties for those that don't. The analysis says it's difficult to say how companies will behave, with some making a purely economic calculation and others concluding that continuing coverage may be essential to pleasing workers in a competitive environment. "As a result, any projections of those effects are clearly quite uncertain," the study's authors concluded.

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ROMNEY on cutting the deficit: "Obamacare's on my list. ... I'm going to stop the subsidy to PBS. ... I'll make government more efficient."

THE FACTS: Romney has promised to balance the budget in eight years to 10 years, but he hasn't offered a complete plan. Instead, he's promised a set of principles, some of which ? like increasing Pentagon spending and restoring more than $700 billion in cuts that Democrats made in Medicare over the coming decade ? work against his goal. He also has said he will not consider tax increases.

He pledges to shrink the government to 20 percent of the size of the economy, as opposed to more than 23 percent of gross domestic product now, by the end of his first term. The Romney campaign estimates that would require cuts of $500 billion from the 2016 budget alone. He also has pledged to cut tax rates by 20 percent, paying for them by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest and through economic growth.

To fulfill his promise, then, Romney would require cuts to other programs so deep ? under one calculation requiring cutting many areas of the domestic budget by one-third within four years ? that they could never get through Congress. Cuts to domestic agencies would have to be particularly deep.

But he's offered only a few modest examples of government programs he'd be willing to squeeze, like subsidies to PBS and Amtrak. He does want to repeal Obama's big health care law, but that law is actually forecast to reduce the deficit.

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ROMNEY: "Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that."

OBAMA: "That's what we've done, made some adjustments to it, and we're putting it before Congress right now, a $4 trillion plan."

THE FACTS: At first, the president did largely ignore the recommendations made by his deficit commission headed by Democrat Erskine Bowles and Republican Alan Simpson. He later incorporated some of the proposals, largely the less controversial ones. He did not endorse some of the politically troublesome recommendations, such as trimming popular tax deductions like the one for home mortgage interest.

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor, Stephen Ohlemacher, Jonathan Fahey, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Tom Raum, Christopher S. Rugaber and Brian Bakst contributed to this report.

EDITOR'S NOTE _ An occasional look at political claims that take shortcuts with the facts or don't tell the full story

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-presidential-debate-missteps-015421565.html

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